I really miss seeing your work on DPW, David. Do you post your work on another website?
I really miss seeing your work on DPW, David. Do you post your work on another website?
@tclucy Thanks for saying that, but nope, it’s nowhere else. I quit completely… If I had someone who would take care of the business side while I could be left alone to do the creative part, I’d possibly jump back in.
It’s amazing how many successful artists have a setup like that. There was a Canadian illustrator I talked to who’s wife is in the PR business, and she runs his website etc. Maria Brophy was over on Savvy Painter the other week talking about how her husband paints while she does all his business. I think the guy who was interviewed the week (or two) before had the same setup with his spouse.
I know that back in the day the gallery took on that role. But now you’re expected to be less an artist and more an entrepeneur, a la Shark Tank, which is ridiculous, isn’t it? Because it makes more sense to play to your strengths than waste time and energy trying to shore up your weaknesses. This is why designated hitters exist.
And that’s why the first thing an actor or a writer finds is an agent, who will find them work. They book you auditions, they shop your manuscript around to publishers… But if you’re a painter, you got nobody these days. Unless you married them.
I guess I’d better start saving for a ring.
Because I don’t have it in me to be a sales rep, a customer service rep, a website designer, and blogger all rolled into one.
And if someone enjoys sharing their works in progress etc, that’s cool. But for me, the whole experience, the whole process has always been a very private one, and every time I think of social media and blogging and Instagramming I feel un-nerved. I don’t like that feeling.
The whole painting experience, beyond the actual painting, has left a real bad taste in my mouth and the giant sense of relief I feel knowing it’s over is really, really good.
Whether we like it or not, social media is here to stay. Buyers expect to be able to find out about an artist on Facebook or Twitter or wherever. I use Instagram and Facebook and a blog. The latter two about every three weeks, and Instagram in spats. I honestly do not expect sales from them, but just to keep any potential customers informed, or that I am still here, lol.
It’s been a tough market for some time, and one must just keep going and adapt as best as possible.
I listened to that interview with Maria Brophy too.
Very good. I love that Savvy Painter show; Antrese Wood has so many great artists on. I listen to it all the time while painting - I never listen to music - I find music distracting for some reason (maybe an idea for another thread ). Some of the shows I listen to over and over. I do find them very inspirational.
On the topic of social media… I’m actually not trying to actively sell anything at the moment. I’m really just focusing on how to improve my skills. I’ve been trying to get out of my comfort zone by trying different things, and building up a collection of pieces that I’m not sure what to do with just yet…
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience David. I hope that with your talent you come back to it somewhere down the road, just for the enjoyment of painting.
I’m here with David regarding social media: I’m not ready to share neither my personal life nor my ups and downs during the creative process (ugh!), as all those things are way too personal to me, and honestly I don’t even understand why it’s so necessary to do so in order to successfully sell art. When I come to a restaurant and make an order I want my food to look good, smell delicious and be tasty. I don’t need a message from the chief explaining that the green pea put on top of my steak symbolizes the victory of life and youth over decay and death. In the same way I’m not really interested to know what tune he was humming when taking the shower this morning. All those things might be interesting to me if we happen to become friends later on, but they are definitely not necessary to enjoy the food he makes. In the same way I believe that all that is needed to like - or dislike - my paintings are the paintings themselves, and I don’t think that any kind of words can add anything to to them. I understand that many people are open to share quite a lot about their life and creative process, but unfortunately I’m just not one of them.
I second Roberta’s words: I also miss seeing your works here and I don’t think that someone who can paint like this can just stop painting for good. I do hope you will get back to it at some point. After all, market and painting are two very different things…
I do hope y’all do stay around art talk…
And I just wanted to tell you that I am on several sites, my work has improved, but my sales declined on all sites. I also agree that it’s everywhere, not just DPW.
I did pick up a lot of those kinds of skills thru the years and I employ them all and business this year is still very slow for me. My ‘ring’ still does the heavy lifting and I’ve been able to focus on art at least part time too. Still didn’t sell a lot.
Keep checking in everybody, I enjoy the comradery. (spell check is telling me i spelled that wrong.) Oops.
I’ve only been on here since May, but I am closing shop as well. In that time frame, I sold one drawing on here via auction. Same time frame on Etsy was 23 sales (that includes prints).
I think the format here of only really introducing new entrants once via the daily email is a bit weak. My experience was that you get a bunch of views for a couple of days and then the crickets start chirping. I also wonder how many of those email recipients are actual buyers as opposed to other artists. Finally, active bidding on only one percent of the auctions is cause for concern.
Not sure if DPW pays for google ads or not, but I think that is desperately needed to drive traffic here. Just my opinion.
@tomdempsey, I completely understand your frustration with your slow sales.
I want to clarify that each time a member artist posts a new work to DPW (DailyPaintworks.com) that work can be on our front “What’s New” page, where it will be one of about 200, and in our Daily Email that goes out to over 5,000 subscribers. So, the best way to have exposure on DPW and to build up a following, is to consistently post often, up to once a day. If an artists posts infrequently, then yes, there will be crickets.
It is true that a lot of artists come to DPW for inspiration, however many of those artists do, in fact, buy the affordable art they find here.
While a small percentage of active auctions receive bids, many of the active auctions (over 300 for one artist alone) are simply auto and manually relisted endlessly. They haven’t sold yet, and may likely never sell, but they do skew the statistics. The majority of the auctions with active bidding are not those, but instead are auctions that are newly listed.
Importantly, auctions are only one way, and not the most popular way, to sell art on DPW. If you go to our “What’s Selling” page and click on the “Statistics” button at the top, you can see that sales through DPW are actually increasing, with last month being the highest so far. This is because, even though auction sales remain low, other sales, such as those through DPW generated PayPal links, are on the rise.
We did, for many years, pay many thousands of dollars a month for online and real media (art magazine) advertising. Unfortunately, we found, in spite of the expense, the advertising did not increase our monthly visits or sales. We finally realized the most effective thing we could do was to continue to work hard to make DPW the best we can and rely on positive online “word of mouth” and proliferating links back to DPW to bring new traffic. The challenge for all of us, of course, is there is ever more competition for people’s attention online.
Tom, if you ever want to rejoin, we would love to have you back with us! Just sign in with your existing credentials and click the “Sell with Us!” link up at the top of the site to rejoin. If you do, you will find all your work and your bio just as you left it! Carol and I wish you the absolute best.
I have enjoyed seeing your work on Instagram and think you are creating synergy between your DPW account and Instagram. I noticed you had an amazing mural on your instagram. You should be doing THAT!
Aaaw, thanks so much @Trisha_Adams! My daughter lives in Charlotte, it is a great place for art! I’d love to do a mural like that but I’m afraid I am not at that level. Yet.
I understand the difficulty of marketing art. I have a spouse, and he’s supportive monetarily and emotionally…but I do all the blogging, Etsy shop posting, and just recently started posting on Instagram. I do all my own wrapping and shipping. Do I make a lot of $$$? No, about enough to pay for workshops and supplies, a new easel, etc… but I have the advantage of painting for the love of it. The loving spouse pays my bills for me So, I appreciate his support…so much.
I just started with an Instagram account, and actually I had a network of artist friends from online workshops that encouraged me to do so. I don’t post personal things, but rather the art I am working on. I tried it on a temporary basis. I love the encouragement I get from fellow artists on IG. I have even had a few sales, people asking how much my painting is. There can be a good artist community there.
Etsy sales go up and down, but I have had some really good repeat customers, and the nicest comments from people who have put my art in their home…that is the added benefit of selling my art at affordable prices…people are very appreciative, and I love that my love of art, can make people happy.
Again, I paint because I would be really sad if I didn’t. If I was doing it for a profit, I couldn’t make it financially. Painting feeds my creativity. And I paint weekly.
David, your paintings are exquisite, and I am so happy that I have about 6 of them in my house…they make me very happy. They are unique and give a sense of wonder. You have a gift. If you love the painting process, keep doing it. Hopefully you will find a way to make it work for you, because the world needs your art.
Hi @funked_up_art, sorry to see you go. I checked out your sites again. Your stuff is cool! You have a unique look on the world. I wanted to encourage you since you are doing youtube vids already to keep going with that if you could because I see quite a few people doing them that are selling their art to people looking up howto videos.
Bye. Sorry to see you go.
I too plan to leave at the end of the year. Only ever had one buyer who purchased a few things-but nothing else since then. I cannot continue to justify the monthly fee,Carla
I am just now seeing this and I wondered where you went to since I just read that Vango closed? Have you found a different one?
I have not found a replacement for Vango. I am continuing to use etsy, and have also started using artfinder.com.
I’ve been on DPW for over 3 years now. Last Summer i closed down my gallery for a few months due to lack of sales Sometimes its just what you have to do. Since I’ve come back sales have been good, not great, but good enough to keep me around at least for a couple more months. If sales aren’t working for you then by all means shut down for awhile and then come back again. It worked for me and may be necessary again in the future. When I’m not here I list on eBay…been there over 20 years now. People turn their noses up for some reason but I never really left that site. Go wherever you feel you can sell your work…if not…it sure does tend to add up until it becomes overbearing I enjoy painting so sales and gift giving of my work is really necessary.